List of Converted Formations and Madden Playbook Lingo

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List of Converted Formations and Madden Playbook Lingo

Postby Cam Newton on Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:14 pm

Keep in mind that none of these conversions requires the use of the Formation Subs editor. These are all done by using simple depth chart manipulation. All of these conversions result in unique formations, usually referred to in this context as "looks," which could possibly be used in Madden 08 to represent each defense's tendencies and unique player behavior. See "How am I supposed to use this information? (below):


"Big" = Three Safeties including an additional "box safety" or hybrid Safety/Linebacker
"Normal" = DT at 0-technique by default; converted from a 3-4 Normal derivative
"Over" = DT at 1-technique over offense's left 'A' gap by default; converted from a 4-3 Normal derivative
"Under" = DT at 1-technique over offense's right 'A' gap by default; converted from a 4-3 Under derivative
"Hybrid" = Could possibly represent the use of a hybrid DE/OLB, a ubiquitous position in modern football
"Prowl" = "Amoeba" or "Psycho" defensive tactic frequently used in football to disguise defensive assignments

See "Over/Under Gap Assignments": viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17


Some possible base conversions in Madden 08:

* Big 4-2-5 Nickel base

Using 4-3 base:

Place SS at ROLB or LOLB


* 3-4 Under Hybrid base

Using 4-3 Under or 46 Bear base:

1. Place OLB at RE


* 5-2 base

Using 4-3 Under base:

1. Place DE at LOLB

Using 3-4 base:

1. Place DE at LOLB
2. Place DE at ROLB


* Big 3-3-5 Normal Nickel base

Using 3-4 base:

1. Place SS at MLB #2


* 2-5-4 Normal Hybrid base

Using 3-4 base:

1. Place OLB at DE


* Big 2-4-5 Normal Nickel base


Using 3-4 base:

1. Place OLB at DE
2. Place SS at MLB #2


Some possible nickel conversions in Madden 08:

* 3-3-5 Over Hybrid Nickel [three-point stances]

Using 4-2-5 nickel:

1. Place OLB at DE


* 3-3-5 Hybrid Nickel [two-point stances]

Using 2-4-5 nickel:

1. Place DE at OLB


* Big 2-3-6 Dime

Using 2-4-5 nickel:

1. Place SS at MLB #2


* Big 3-2-6 Hybrid Dime

Using 2-4-5 nickel:

1. Place DE at OLB
2. Place SS at MLB #2


* 2-4-5 Normal Hybrid Nickel

Using 3-3-5 nickel:

1. Place OLB at DE


* 2-4-5 Prowl Nickel

Using 1-5-5 or 1-5-5 Prowl:

1. Place DE at ROLB #2 or LOLB #2


* Big 2-3-6 Prowl Dime

Using 1-5-5 or 1-5-5 Prowl:

1. Place DE at ROLB #2 or LOLB #2
2. Place SS at ROLB #2 or MLB #2 and/or LOLB #2


* Big 1-4-6 Prowl Dime

Using 1-5-5 or 1-5-5 Prowl:

1. Place SS at ROLB #2 or MLB #2 and/or LOLB #2


Some possible dime conversions in Madden 08:

* 3-2-6 Over Hybrid Dime

Using 4-1-6 dime:

1. Place OLB at DE


* 2-3-6 Normal Hybrid Dime

Using 3-2-6 dime:

1. Place OLB at DE








Slight clarification on the nomenclature of Over and Under using these examples:
"Over" = DT at 1-technique over offense's left 'A' gap by default; converted from a 4-3 Normal derivative
"Under" = DT at 1-technique over offense's right 'A' gap by default; converted from a 4-3 Under derivative

* 3-4 Under Hybrid base

Using 4-3 Under or 46 Bear base:

1. Place OLB at RE


This is created from converted "Under"-shifted 4-3 sets (1-techique and 3-technique are "mirrored" from their typical placement in a 4-3). The techniques don't change, so it would be converted into an Under-shifted 3-4 as well (difficult to explain but just look at the screenshots here). I believe this could describe multiple systems in the NFL, including Rex Ryan's or Dan Quinn's.

* 3-3-5 Over Hybrid Nickel [three-point stances]

Using 4-2-5 nickel:

1. Place OLB at DE


* 3-2-6 Over Hybrid Dime

Using 4-1-6 dime:

1. Place OLB at DE



These are created from converted 4-3 sets, which by default are always "Over"-shifted (1-technique and 3-technique are mirrored from that of an Under set). Ergo, their converted products are Over-shifted 3-4 derivatives.



How am I supposed to use this information?

Watch your favorite team, ask yourself what kind of "looks" they give on defense; you don't even have to know the specific formation or anything about hybrid systems, just which of these converted formations they could potentially "look" like. Here is the challenge when it comes to choosing both roster positions and playbooks in Madden 08: I believe that all of these are potential "looks," or "converted" sets, that the Packers, a Dom Capers defense, could use. The hybrid players in question would be DE/OLB Peppers and hybrid Dimeback (CB #4)/SS/ILB Hyde...


* 2-4-5 Normal Hybrid Nickel

Using 3-3-5 nickel:

1. Place OLB at DE


* 2-4-5 Prowl Nickel

Using 1-5-5 or 1-5-5 Prowl:

1. Place DE at ROLB #2 or LOLB #2


* 3-4 Under Hybrid base

Using 4-3 Under base:

1. Place OLB at RE


* 2-5-4 Normal Hybrid base

Using 3-4 base:

1. Place OLB at DE


* 2-3-6 Normal Hybrid Dime

Using 3-2-6 dime:

1. Place OLB at DE


* Big 2-4-5 Normal Nickel base

Using 3-4 base:

1. Place OLB at DE
2. Place SS at MLB #2


* Big 2-3-6 Dime

Using 2-4-5 nickel:

1. Place SS at MLB #2


* Big 2-3-6 Prowl Dime

Using 1-5-5 or 1-5-5 Prowl:

1. Place DE at ROLB #2 or LOLB #2
2. Place SS at ROLB #2 or MLB #2 and/or LOLB #2


* Big 1-4-6 Prowl Dime

Using 1-5-5 or 1-5-5 Prowl:

1. Place SS at ROLB #2 or MLB #2 and/or LOLB #2



However, obviously they cannot all be used because most of them conflict with each other, so a specific combination of roster tweaks and formations that you feel "best" encapsulates Dom Capers's defense has to be used.
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